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I started listening to this show, and after 35 minutes of total twaddle and boring waffle mixed with moments of hilarity at the absurdity of some of the comments, Ben started talking about Black 47 and the so called Irish Famine (which anyone who knows anything about it will know was not a famine but a genocide). How dare he suggest that there is “a vein of self pity” and “sense of being hard done by” and its unhealthy to dwell on the past. Bringing the Fields of Athenry into it is even more insulting. Singing that song is a commemoration of the millions who died during those terrible years. Does he not realise that our history is what defines us as people? How can we look to the future if we ignore our past history and ancestry? So Ben, are you saying that the Native Americans, and the Jews, and the Aborigines, Maoris and every other nation that has been subdued and oppressed, have just got to forget what happened and get on with it? We have to remember the past to make sure it is not repeated, and also to honour our ancestors. Yes, the Scots and Irish and Welsh do define themselves by what happened in the past, the Irish probably more so because they went through 800 years of oppression. And I define myself by the history of my Irish ancestors, not through self pity or a sense of being hard done by, but by the knowledge of what those people suffered and a sense of injustice for what was done to them. We should never forget. You made the whole thing sound so petty and trivial that I was really angry. Ben Emlyn Jones is a sanctimonious idiot of the highest order and I won’t be listening to that shite any more. Pity I didn’t get as far as listening to his guest, who I am sure was very good. Maybe Ben, that’s why your ratings are going down so far, people turn off before the guests arrive because you are so offensive.
ReplyDeleteEileen, I don't care if What I said was offensive. I care if it was TRUE. If you feel offended by anything I said then please... don't feel offended. Feel VERY offended!
ReplyDeleteI am very offended and so will a lot of other people be. And its not true, it's your pathetic opinion and its horseshite.
ReplyDeleteYes it IS true, and you can all be very offended as far as I'm concerned. I don't do HPANWO Radio for the sake of winning a popularity contest.
ReplyDeleteI am Irish. This woman does not speak for me. Go raibh maith agaibh.
ReplyDeleteForget it, not worth talking to someone who can’t even make a literate reply. You think its cool to come over as offensive – that’s juvenile. I watch and listen to many controversial speakers and they can also say things that may offend, everyone is entitled to an opinion, including you; but at least they can make reasoned arguments for their comments and are willing to engage in debate and agree to disagree. You on the other hand insist that you are right no matter what, another juvenile trait. I suggest that you grow up and join the real world. I am a 66 year old woman and have had more experience in educating teenagers than you have had hot dinners – I draw the line at trying to educate grown men with the mentality of teenagers who think they are the dogs gonads. That’s my final say on the subject, not going to engage any further. And good luck with those listener ratings………….
ReplyDeleteEileen, it is YOU being illiterate, not me. You've misrepresented my words, not asked me for any clarification for any point I made, and you've filled your post with rhetoric. I've told you, I'm not on a mission to pander to YOU. I care about what is true.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Laurence. I'm Welsh and what I said applies as much to my own country, which I do love. My love is simply not blind.
ReplyDeleteto Laurence: Really Laurence (hmm, wonder who you are). I don’t know if you listened, but anyone who can hear the words of Fields of Athenry trivialised, and say and I quote 'An Irish song about an Irish sense of being hard done by in the past' and 'Even if it is true? 'and 'need to get over it?' and not react does not deserve to call themselves Irish. That song was played at my dads funeral and it means a lot to most Irish people because it speaks the truth about our history. That was what made me angry and I feel fully justified in my anger.
ReplyDeleteTo Ben: I am far from illiterate. Your words are exactly as I just told them to Laurence, no room for misrepresentation. And I don't want you to pander to me or anyone else. And you obviously don't care about what's true because you haven't a clue about the history of it all. As I said, everyone has opinions, but informed opinion is another thing entirely. You should think before you speak bollocks.
ReplyDeleteI have studied in detail the history of all the Celtic nations when I was writing "Evan's Land". And I grew up with it, in west Wales. I was told that to BE Welsh was to HATE! HATE the ENGLISH! Each and every one of them! In most cases this was for crimes, real or perceived, that happened many centuries ago. It's extremely unhealthy to think and behave like that. We were no better than modern SJW's who hate white heterosexual males. And look at the state they're in. They can't even dress properly.
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ReplyDeleteReally, what a strange upbringing you must have had.I don't hate the English and have never been taught to. I love the English, I was brought up here. Its not the English who are to blame for the wrongs, it is the Governments in power at the time. And Irish history of persecution is much more recent than centuries ago. Besides that, what history did you study, the normal history that is usually written by the victors? To get a true sense of history you need to study the archives and letters, newspapers and witness statements of the time which normally tell a much truer story. My original comment was anger at the way you trivialised the words of a song which has been adopted by most Irish people as their second National Anthem, and that to me is disrespect. It is not unhealthy to respect your ancestry, it is only unhealthy when it leads to hatred and disrespect of others. I am not that kind of person and never have been, so your last comment is totally irrelevant and in the same vein as the rest of your ill thought out comments. End of, nothing more to say except that The Fields of Athenry is no longer sung at rugby matches, they now sing Irelands Call.
ReplyDeleteNíl mé Ben, Eileen, is cinnte! (Not intelligent enough :)) You are obviously very attached, Eileen, for whatever reasons and however misplaced, to the old country. I had to listen back to the show to discern what offended you so much (the piece in question was from about 37' to 40'). My view was it was a reasoned and balanced opinion piece; for example, Ben was careful to apply the argument to all the home countries and chose his words equally carefully. Ben's thesis was that perceived historical grievances were a poor foundation for national identity. I agree wholeheartedly. Proper, mature democracies should not be based on historical injustice (for example, present day South Africa - arguably a basket case). As for the Fields of Athenry, I preferred when Molly Malone was sung at rugby and soccer matches but that's because I'm a Jackeen! Seriously though, I am far more concerned about our (Ireland's) rejection of the Faith that our ancestors died for while adopting wholesale Cultural Marxism (one of the main reasons why I follow HPANWO); please read the following recent and excellent article by John Waters on the sorry state of modern Ireland thanks to this vile ideology: John Waters Slán agus beannacht.
ReplyDeleteLaurence, as I said, I don't wish to get into further discussion on this. Yes I am attached to the auld country, I still have close family there where my father was born. I will agree to totally disagree with you on every point and have made my point and said everything I need to say.
ReplyDeleteWise words, Laurence. There are too many REAL and PRESENT dangers afflicting the Celtic nations for us to cross the street when a "Sais" approaches because his great great great x 50 grandfather might have whipped his serf for speaking Welsh.
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